Curse

Lonk · Jul 15, 2005, 12:35 PM // 12:35

I'm going to beg you Arenanet, on behalf of all the players, or at least the 90% of the community that is flat broke and cant afford 100k weapons and 700k armor in a matter of hours, please please please take an honest look at the current shape of the economy and realize at the very least it does need some tweaking.

I have faith in you and I know you guys are busy, but I'm certain you never meant some randomly decent weapon to sell for more then say, an entire Guild Hall, or for people to buy the entire Fissure Armor set as quickly as they did.

These rich people will defend the economy saying its ok, and the reason behind that is they're rich, but they make up maybe 5-10% of the community. When you nerf farm spots, you aren't hurting them, you are hurting us poor people who didnt get to farm those spots because the rich people kept those secret long enough to exploit them.

I'm asking all Guild Wars players to add any suggestions on improving the economy in any way if they have any, as any suggestions are appriciated. This is something we are devoting our time to and we got a promise that this game would not give us this much grinding for cash just to afford basic items, so please let Arenanet know you want change for the better.

Elemental05 · Jul 15, 2005, 01:04 PM // 13:04

I agree completly, change it!

EmperorTippy · Jul 15, 2005, 01:21 PM // 13:21

I have posted many suggestions in various threads and would love to see the economy fixed but I am afraid that I fall into that 5-10% of the rich field. I never farmed I played the markets to get my money. I can afford 100K items he!! I could afford a 1,000K weapon if I was so enclined to buy it and not even bother with the cost. It's negligable. I have decided that because I want a challenge I have to get all my shards and ectos for my fissure armor from solo farming runs of the UW and 4 man runs of FoW.

Greyscale · Jul 15, 2005, 01:21 PM // 13:21

Yes I agree people who have farmed way before the nerf had tons of cash with thier uber fissure armor and 100k weapons are not going to be hurt by this cuz you always see people bragging about them having max gold in thier stash and max gold on all thier toons. And then you take away farming which hurts the common player who might farm here and there and have maybe like 20k on them and now that the nerf to pve/farming has happend the people who have loads of cash will call the shots and the people who have nil to none cash will never ever have the ability to have a few 100k weapon sets and be force to grind thier ass off to afford thier next armor set or weapon or wahtnot I am not asking for you to make it uber easy to get the good weps and wahtnot all I am asking is to return farming and let people do waht they like some like to pvp some like to quest some like to explore some like to run people to places and others like to farm but I dont see you taking away quests/pvping/missions/explorably areas? no you dont so the only way to fix this is to return farming because w/o it no money for the new players to buy waht they need.

Toot Braunstein · Jul 15, 2005, 02:47 PM // 14:47

Heh, Lonk's plea needs to be taken into account, seriously.

Drakron · Jul 15, 2005, 03:01 PM // 15:01

Well somethings have to be fixed.

Materials for example. traders are buying in many cases lower that crafting cost and that only helps to inflate prices since I rather sell then to players that to the merchant.

Farming is weird, I farm a lot now for crafting materials (not gold) since its better to farm iron that pay the iron price.

As things going we start to grind and the ones that got rich are not affacted at all with this since they can play the market to their advantage.

Zenos · Jul 15, 2005, 03:09 PM // 15:09

Now if you want 100 plat you will have to go buy it off Ebay. Since you can't go get it yourself. Isn't that what A.Net was trying to avoid?

plouyd · Jul 15, 2005, 03:19 PM // 15:19

make everyones gold 0

if they brought farming back the economy would be like diablo 2

everyone has the leetest stuff and everyone owns everyone.
maybe make it a little bit more worthwhile

smitty-gw · Jul 15, 2005, 03:20 PM // 15:20

Agreed,

I should not have to expend all my resources and then some to buy black dye to make my cheap 7.5K armor set look cool.

Ishamael Sedai · Jul 15, 2005, 03:29 PM // 15:29

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lonk

I'm going to beg you Arenanet, on behalf of all the players, or at least the 90% of the community that is flat broke and cant afford 100k weapons and 700k armor in a matter of hours, please please please take an honest look at the current shape of the economy and realize at the very least it does need some tweaking.

I have faith in you and I know you guys are busy, but I'm certain you never meant some randomly decent weapon to sell for more then say, an entire Guild Hall, or for people to buy the entire Fissure Armor set as quickly as they did.

These rich people will defend the economy saying its ok, and the reason behind that is they're rich, but they make up maybe 5-10% of the community. When you nerf farm spots, you aren't hurting them, you are hurting us poor people who didnt get to farm those spots because the rich people kept those secret long enough to exploit them.

I'm asking all Guild Wars players to add any suggestions on improving the economy in any way if they have any, as any suggestions are appriciated. This is something we are devoting our time to and we got a promise that this game would not give us this much grinding for cash just to afford basic items, so please let Arenanet know you want change for the better.

You don't need 700k armor. 1.5k armor is just as good. The funny thing to me is if they switched FoW armor's look with 1.5k Knights armor and made FoW armor 1.5k and Knights 1.5 mil then everyone would want Knights. The reason people think FoW armor is so cool is because it costs so much. You let everyone who is ascended have a set and it becomes worthless pretty much. You think you will be gaining something cool and in fact you will be gaining nothing. BTW I do not own a set of FoW armor.

The only thing they could do to fix the 100k weapons is make a collecter who gives 15% over 50% melee weapons. Then you wouldn't need those either. Or arena could increase the droprate of 15 over 50 fellblades to where everyone has one and there is nothing special about them. BTW I do not own one of those either.

100k swords are not really basic. Basic is armor and weapons that have the best stats which you can get with collectors items except for 15 over 50 melee weapons. I would support a collector that gives 15 over 50 melee weapons, but I do not support in anyway increasing drop rates to the point where these weapons and armor become worthless.

Ishamael Sedai · Jul 15, 2005, 03:32 PM // 15:32

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lonk

I'm going to beg you Arenanet, on behalf of all the players, or at least the 90% of the community that is flat broke and cant afford 100k weapons and 700k armor in a matter of hours, please please please take an honest look at the current shape of the economy and realize at the very least it does need some tweaking.

I have faith in you and I know you guys are busy, but I'm certain you never meant some randomly decent weapon to sell for more then say, an entire Guild Hall, or for people to buy the entire Fissure Armor set as quickly as they did.

These rich people will defend the economy saying its ok, and the reason behind that is they're rich, but they make up maybe 5-10% of the community. When you nerf farm spots, you aren't hurting them, you are hurting us poor people who didnt get to farm those spots because the rich people kept those secret long enough to exploit them.

I'm asking all Guild Wars players to add any suggestions on improving the economy in any way if they have any, as any suggestions are appriciated. This is something we are devoting our time to and we got a promise that this game would not give us this much grinding for cash just to afford basic items, so please let Arenanet know you want change for the better.

And for goodness sake a lot of these spots aren't nerfed. I have a friend who bought a 15 over 50 req. 8 max dmg fellblade off someone coming out of an ember light farming yesterday. The griffons dropped two golds for me yesterday and two the day before. They made some spots tougher but didn't necessarily nerf them. The rich players are the ones who spend less time complaining and come up with a build to still farm certain spots.

You can still make plenty of money in this economy and get plenty of drops. You will need to do one of two things. Either learn how to be an excellent merchant who can buy and sell to make money and/or go to the guildwarsguru.com skill listing, quit complaining, and figure out how to **SOLO** those tough spots. It really doesn't affect me much outside of rankor that they put a mesmer there. I kill him just as well. It slows me down a bit but doesn't stop my farming there. The desert griffons are still an easy place to farm with practice. You can still farm ember light.

Zenos · Jul 15, 2005, 04:07 PM // 16:07

So you are saying I need to farm now? I have never farmed and the nerfs have hurt my normal playing drops. I don't want to farm and I don't need 15k armor. I just want to be able to afford normal everyday things in the game. Since the patches I get half or less of what I did through normal gameplay.

Maybe I am just getting unlucky I don't know. But the buying price of crafting materials is still up. Runes are cheap and easy to get cept for superior vigor which last I looked was 30+ plat. I have like 4 plat between 3 level Ascended chars.

Drakron · Jul 15, 2005, 04:16 PM // 16:16

Depends ... I had golden bow drop in Witman folly that have a listed price of 440 gp.

Also when doing the ranger quest in the desert I had a gold sword drop with a +6 armor (against elements) mod.

The problem is the entire random deal of the drops, you could be swimming in gold drops one second and nothing at all the next second.

Also there is no much way you can make gold besides farming, its not profitable for example to farm materials, have then craft then in a rare material and sell it for a small gp profit.

wjung · Jul 19, 2005, 10:02 PM // 22:02

Look, I started playing this game like 3 weeks ago and I've been actively playing it like 4-5 hours a day after work. Now, I don't have much gold nor do I have the best items. I just keep what I find and make sure I collect all the crafting materials. I understand a lot of stuff has been nerfed, but there is a good reason for it all so this game doesn't become another Diablo 2 where everyone has everything. Anyhow, my point to you is, stop whining about how you dont have enough gold or how you can't afford the best armor or weapon, just keep playing and make the best of it. I'm tired of people who want things made easy. This world is tough so deal with it, you dont see me complaining about how whack items drop all the time. Its all part of the game, if you can't invest enough time to obtain good stuff here and there, then too bad. Stop whining about this and that, because the people who took advantage of certain things before it got nerfed or are rich as hell, well good for them. Stop trying to compare yourself to people who played this from the start or has invested probably 10X the hours you have played. I'm just tired of you people just whining about oh my god, the game this, the game that, oh my god, the economy. Blah blah blah. Just play the game!!!

theclam · Jul 19, 2005, 10:07 PM // 22:07

Everyone except Warriors and Rangers can get the best weapons in the game from collectors. 1.5k armor is easily affordable without having to farm at all. The only runes that are way too expensive for the casual player are Superior Vigor and Absorbtion runes.

Avantos · Jul 19, 2005, 10:15 PM // 22:15

Quote:

Originally Posted by theclam

Everyone except Warriors and Rangers can get the best weapons in the game from collectors. 1.5k armor is easily affordable without having to farm at all. The only runes that are way too expensive for the casual player are Superior Vigor and Absorbtion runes.

Actually, warriors and rangers can get excellent basic weapons from collectors and then simply go on to add components to make them easy as good as those "elite" drops.

Age · Jul 20, 2005, 01:16 AM // 01:16

Yeah I wouldn't mind finding some good runes out there and weapons.Good Post to the thread starter.

Thomasuwoo · Jul 20, 2005, 05:46 AM // 05:46

Quote:

Originally Posted by wjung

Look, I started playing this game like 3 weeks ago and I've been actively playing it like 4-5 hours a day after work. Now, I don't have much gold nor do I have the best items. I just keep what I find and make sure I collect all the crafting materials. I understand a lot of stuff has been nerfed, but there is a good reason for it all so this game doesn't become another Diablo 2 where everyone has everything. Anyhow, my point to you is, stop whining about how you dont have enough gold or how you can't afford the best armor or weapon, just keep playing and make the best of it. I'm tired of people who want things made easy. This world is tough so deal with it, you dont see me complaining about how whack items drop all the time. Its all part of the game, if you can't invest enough time to obtain good stuff here and there, then too bad. Stop whining about this and that, because the people who took advantage of certain things before it got nerfed or are rich as hell, well good for them. Stop trying to compare yourself to people who played this from the start or has invested probably 10X the hours you have played. I'm just tired of you people just whining about oh my god, the game this, the game that, oh my god, the economy. Blah blah blah. Just play the game!!!

Well said! Give the economy time to settle people. Almost nobody has 100k to buy a bloody gold drop anymore. The people peedling these items will be forced to drop their prices if they wish to sell them. And we all know it but people just seem to keep ignoring the fact that the best armour (Stat wise) Only costs 1.5k a piece plus materials.

Numa Pompilius · Jul 20, 2005, 10:47 AM // 10:47

You don't need 100K to get decent weapons or 500K to get decent armor, you need that to get PERFECT weapons and armor that LOOKS BETTER than the much cheaper but perfect armor.
There's a shitload of difference there. I doubt that it's ANets intention that everyone should instantly afford the best weapons and prettiest armor in the PvE game.

I spent yesterday in Lions Arch, selling a dozen or so gold, purple, or white, max damage weapons and shields _but they were clean or didn't have max enchantments_. The most I got for ANY of them was 1500 gold, for a max-armor Defender shield with requirement 6 strength and a Pommel of Fortitude +21 health. Most of the rest sold for 400 gold each.

Ordinary adventuring will give you plenty of cash to buy GOOD stuff. But if you absolutely MUST have a perfect chaos axe and fissure of woe armor, well, then I guess you'll just have to suffer.

Thanas · Jul 20, 2005, 10:55 AM // 10:55

Quote:

Originally Posted by Greyscale

Yes I agree people who have farmed way before the nerf had tons of cash with thier uber fissure armor and 100k weapons are not going to be hurt by this cuz you always see people bragging about them having max gold in thier stash and max gold on all thier toons. And then you take away farming which hurts the common player who might farm here and there and have maybe like 20k on them and now that the nerf to pve/farming has happend the people who have loads of cash will call the shots and the people who have nil to none cash will never ever have the ability to have a few 100k weapon sets and be force to grind thier ass off to afford thier next armor set or weapon or wahtnot I am not asking for you to make it uber easy to get the good weps and wahtnot all I am asking is to return farming and let people do waht they like some like to pvp some like to quest some like to explore some like to run people to places and others like to farm but I dont see you taking away quests/pvping/missions/explorably areas? no you dont so the only way to fix this is to return farming because w/o it no money for the new players to buy waht they need.

No its not! Think through your replies before posting. That will put the economy into more ruin. Plus as I have argued in the petition for nerfing thread, farming is not in line with the game concept at all. The game is aimed at broad audience some of whom can't farm since it consumes too much time. This will put them at a disadvatage. Farming is the core of the problem and promotes an anti skill attitude. What your saying is analagous to saying lets stop gun crime with more guns.